I only heard about Warcanto less than a month ago but immediately loved the Lidd models and background. I have a few models ordered to start me off. But as I have no experience of playing Warcanto (never mind using the Lidd!) I was wondering if anyone had any starting advice or tactics I should know.

So far I have ordered 1 of each available Lidd model (except the Elder). What I would like to know is:-

1. What is the minimum force size for those wishing to try Warcnto and enjoy it's rules?

2. What Lidd abilities should I use to take advantage of my enemies weaknesses?

3. What are the Lidd weaknesses and how do I best overcome them.

Please add to this thread any further knowledge gained from experience of playing the game.

Well I've only used them once so far but here goes:

With Lidds your minimum wearband size will be about 10 models. Lidds are expensive so you're nearly always going to be outnumbered (even by dwarfs who'll outnumber you by something like 11: 10).

You want more youngbloods than Maka'ei. In a starting warbvand I'd say you'll want a hero (maxed out), 2 Maka'ei and then 6 or 7 youngbloods (I think it works out at 7, 3 of whom have bolas, all 7 with spears split into a 3, and two groups of 2).

Maka'ei can work alone or in pairs. Unless you've got 4 or 5 of them I'd recommend splitting them up so they can come from different directions. You could have a two maka killing group that would go on the rampage but you'd be putting all your eggs in one basket (all in one place on the battlefield) and with Lidds you really need to spread out and cover all areas.

Lidds seem to be a harassing force. Come at your foes from different directions to stretch them thin and divide their attention. I'll hopefuly get to use Lidds again sometime in the next month or so and then I'll be able to give you some better advice. But by then you might know them better than me .

Whilst the rulebook recommends 400 points as the minimum warband size Chill and myself have found that 300 point games can be pretty fun (although your warband elader won't be up to much). In that case you could probably get away with 1 Maka'ei and 4-6 young.

Lidd love trees - do place some [many] woods on the table and if possible use them to dictate how your opponent can set up his forces. He may even start placing hedges, walls and other linear features inside woods just to restrict your charge lanes. As Balgin noted go wide with battue you don't have to try and keep your forces within 10" of the leader. Do not get caught out in the open spaces - use the terrain and let your opponents fear you.

Then make the most of your special abilities - check out forests on page 14 - main rules and use your forest walk, forest sight and battue which will make him aviod moving unsurported in there thus narrowing his battle frontage.

That charge without using an order is a sweetie.

You have high Rx so often you will go first - use this to mop up injured models to get numerical advantage. Your morale is going to be a little drawback with out numbered tests but not so much that you should plan for it - Luke "feel the force" - of the master, remember only you know him.

causing fear is a big advantage at the mo -

If you are going to Salute I will be on the SMG tables for a chat.

Thanks for the advice guys sounds like some very useful stuff to bear in mind.

Chill. By SMG do you mean "simple miniature games"? I had a go of Helldorado on their stand the year before last (bought some models for it but gave up when the rulebook never materialised).

Yes he does .

Was sorry to see that SMG aren't doing mail order to the general public anymore. The site seemed to be down forever!

I've got my Salute ticket already so (barring any last minute disasters at work) I'll be there. Drop me a PM to say who I should say hi to.

SMG is a distributor and does not wish to complete with the bricks and mortar stores, so he choose the change - he does have a shop now - in Christchurch.

We tried to get Graham to carry Dwarf Tales, maybe the thumb screws were not tight enough.

Pity he choose not to else I might be running Warcanto rather than my other true love - AT-43.